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Custom baggage policy+others - Tesla - 10-19-2017
I know that charges for hand and checked baggage and the option to alter these is planned for the final release. But my suggestion is to be able to add tiers of baggage and weight, and to make them specific to certain classes.Potentially challenging to introduce, but would be absolutely brilliant to have.
Another suggestion, fare types within classes (with player designated names). For instance, economy could be split into basic, advance and advance plus, and further. Again, potentially tricky, but again, a very good one for the final release.
I am highly aware that you (Unknown98) have a lot of work currently, and are putting in a lot of effort to make this game the very best you can. I cannot give anywhere near enough respect for that, but thank you very much for doing this, it is hugely appreciated.
If this would delay the final release, especially the second point, I do not mind overly mind not getting the second one, but it would be a good differentiator. First one is IMO essential to allow the full services to differentiate from the cheaper airlines. Combined with the In flight Services and entertainment expected to come by the final release, would make differentiating far easier.
Final, possibly difficult suggestion is to make seating configurations visible on the home page of the airline. This is something airline empires adopted in 2012, and it fundamentally changed the way people played. People could tell what kind of airline you were running, and what attitude you had (sort of). Thus, the rewards of running a quality airline were increased. AEN would benefit in the same way IMO. I think this would have a huge impact on the enterprise community, and for the better.
RE: Custom baggage policy+others - Unknown98 - 10-20-2017
I could do something along those lines but the problem is how would it actually work? Getting into simulating different bag weights for each passenger is something I intentionally avoided because I figured it was a bit too much micro-management. Then on top of that the options that you choose need to actually have some sort of effect otherwise it's pointless. So then we get into trying to manipulate demand based on a countless number of configurations and it becomes a lot more complicated. Just seems like a lot of time to spend on something not so important in the grand scheme of things.
As for the fare types, when IFS/IFE is implemented you will be able to choose more advanced cabin configurations, such as choosing seat types for each class. So airline A may have 'standard' economy seats but airline B could have 'premium' economy seats. Both are economy, but airline B would be more comfortable and be able to charge a tad bit more. Is that similar to what you mean?
The problem with displaying seat configurations is I can't really do an overview of it since each plane could theoretically have a different configuration. The only way I think I could do that is to create a fleet information page for other airlines that would display their entire fleet and the configurations. Which wouldn't be that hard I suppose. I can look into it.
RE: Custom baggage policy+others - Tesla - 10-20-2017
(10-20-2017, 03:21 AM)Unknown98 Wrote: I could do something along those lines but the problem is how would it actually work? Getting into simulating different bag weights for each passenger is something I intentionally avoided because I figured it was a bit too much micro-management. Then on top of that the options that you choose need to actually have some sort of effect otherwise it's pointless. So then we get into trying to manipulate demand based on a countless number of configurations and it becomes a lot more complicated. Just seems like a lot of time to spend on something not so important in the grand scheme of things.
As for the fare types, when IFS/IFE is implemented you will be able to choose more advanced cabin configurations, such as choosing seat types for each class. So airline A may have 'standard' economy seats but airline B could have 'premium' economy seats. Both are economy, but airline B would be more comfortable and be able to charge a tad bit more. Is that similar to what you mean?
The problem with displaying seat configurations is I can't really do an overview of it since each plane could theoretically have a different configuration. The only way I think I could do that is to create a fleet information page for other airlines that would display their entire fleet and the configurations. Which wouldn't be that hard I suppose. I can look into it.
With the fare types, they are intended to be different pricing models of the same product. For instance, in my economy cabin with standard seats, I could have a basic fare, an advance fare and an advance plus fare. Each would have benefits (either price or features). Each would be priced differently, in order to accommodate the different features (eg basic could come with free snacks, but no meal or free checked bag allowance), advance could come with checked baggage and a free meal, and advance plus could come with double checked baggage and a premium meal. Seating type will be the same for all types. But say I had a premium plus fare (advance plus with empty seat next to you, which I don't intend to have), that would then be a different product. Fare types are intended for market differentiation and to cater to the wider market.
Also, with regard to the seat config display, I think Airline Empires would be a good model to look at for that. They've done it well.
RE: Custom baggage policy+others - Unknown98 - 10-20-2017
Hmm... that would be a lot of work to get it implemented and working correctly. I guess technically its possible, but it would essentially be tripling the number of classes and types of fares we have in-game and that would make calculating demand accurately insanely difficult with all the extra conditions. Not sure it's something I want to get into but I won't write it off completely.
RE: Custom baggage policy+others - Marb1 - 10-21-2017
(10-20-2017, 09:32 AM)Tesla Wrote:(10-20-2017, 03:21 AM)Unknown98 Wrote: I could do something along those lines but the problem is how would it actually work? Getting into simulating different bag weights for each passenger is something I intentionally avoided because I figured it was a bit too much micro-management. Then on top of that the options that you choose need to actually have some sort of effect otherwise it's pointless. So then we get into trying to manipulate demand based on a countless number of configurations and it becomes a lot more complicated. Just seems like a lot of time to spend on something not so important in the grand scheme of things.
As for the fare types, when IFS/IFE is implemented you will be able to choose more advanced cabin configurations, such as choosing seat types for each class. So airline A may have 'standard' economy seats but airline B could have 'premium' economy seats. Both are economy, but airline B would be more comfortable and be able to charge a tad bit more. Is that similar to what you mean?
The problem with displaying seat configurations is I can't really do an overview of it since each plane could theoretically have a different configuration. The only way I think I could do that is to create a fleet information page for other airlines that would display their entire fleet and the configurations. Which wouldn't be that hard I suppose. I can look into it.
With the fare types, they are intended to be different pricing models of the same product. For instance, in my economy cabin with standard seats, I could have a basic fare, an advance fare and an advance plus fare. Each would have benefits (either price or features). Each would be priced differently, in order to accommodate the different features (eg basic could come with free snacks, but no meal or free checked bag allowance), advance could come with checked baggage and a free meal, and advance plus could come with double checked baggage and a premium meal. Seating type will be the same for all types. But say I had a premium plus fare (advance plus with empty seat next to you, which I don't intend to have), that would then be a different product. Fare types are intended for market differentiation and to cater to the wider market.
Also, with regard to the seat config display, I think Airline Empires would be a good model to look at for that. They've done it well.
Yes! AE!
RE: Custom baggage policy+others - Tesla - 10-23-2017
(10-21-2017, 12:37 AM)Marb1 Wrote:(10-20-2017, 09:32 AM)Tesla Wrote:(10-20-2017, 03:21 AM)Unknown98 Wrote: I could do something along those lines but the problem is how would it actually work? Getting into simulating different bag weights for each passenger is something I intentionally avoided because I figured it was a bit too much micro-management. Then on top of that the options that you choose need to actually have some sort of effect otherwise it's pointless. So then we get into trying to manipulate demand based on a countless number of configurations and it becomes a lot more complicated. Just seems like a lot of time to spend on something not so important in the grand scheme of things.
As for the fare types, when IFS/IFE is implemented you will be able to choose more advanced cabin configurations, such as choosing seat types for each class. So airline A may have 'standard' economy seats but airline B could have 'premium' economy seats. Both are economy, but airline B would be more comfortable and be able to charge a tad bit more. Is that similar to what you mean?
The problem with displaying seat configurations is I can't really do an overview of it since each plane could theoretically have a different configuration. The only way I think I could do that is to create a fleet information page for other airlines that would display their entire fleet and the configurations. Which wouldn't be that hard I suppose. I can look into it.
With the fare types, they are intended to be different pricing models of the same product. For instance, in my economy cabin with standard seats, I could have a basic fare, an advance fare and an advance plus fare. Each would have benefits (either price or features). Each would be priced differently, in order to accommodate the different features (eg basic could come with free snacks, but no meal or free checked bag allowance), advance could come with checked baggage and a free meal, and advance plus could come with double checked baggage and a premium meal. Seating type will be the same for all types. But say I had a premium plus fare (advance plus with empty seat next to you, which I don't intend to have), that would then be a different product. Fare types are intended for market differentiation and to cater to the wider market.
Also, with regard to the seat config display, I think Airline Empires would be a good model to look at for that. They've done it well.
Yes! AE!
m8 you don't wanna get warning pointed here as well. That would be a bit of a marble in the shoe
RE: Custom baggage policy+others - Marb1 - 10-24-2017
(10-23-2017, 05:46 PM)Tesla Wrote:(10-21-2017, 12:37 AM)Marb1 Wrote:(10-20-2017, 09:32 AM)Tesla Wrote:(10-20-2017, 03:21 AM)Unknown98 Wrote: I could do something along those lines but the problem is how would it actually work? Getting into simulating different bag weights for each passenger is something I intentionally avoided because I figured it was a bit too much micro-management. Then on top of that the options that you choose need to actually have some sort of effect otherwise it's pointless. So then we get into trying to manipulate demand based on a countless number of configurations and it becomes a lot more complicated. Just seems like a lot of time to spend on something not so important in the grand scheme of things.
As for the fare types, when IFS/IFE is implemented you will be able to choose more advanced cabin configurations, such as choosing seat types for each class. So airline A may have 'standard' economy seats but airline B could have 'premium' economy seats. Both are economy, but airline B would be more comfortable and be able to charge a tad bit more. Is that similar to what you mean?
The problem with displaying seat configurations is I can't really do an overview of it since each plane could theoretically have a different configuration. The only way I think I could do that is to create a fleet information page for other airlines that would display their entire fleet and the configurations. Which wouldn't be that hard I suppose. I can look into it.
With the fare types, they are intended to be different pricing models of the same product. For instance, in my economy cabin with standard seats, I could have a basic fare, an advance fare and an advance plus fare. Each would have benefits (either price or features). Each would be priced differently, in order to accommodate the different features (eg basic could come with free snacks, but no meal or free checked bag allowance), advance could come with checked baggage and a free meal, and advance plus could come with double checked baggage and a premium meal. Seating type will be the same for all types. But say I had a premium plus fare (advance plus with empty seat next to you, which I don't intend to have), that would then be a different product. Fare types are intended for market differentiation and to cater to the wider market.
Also, with regard to the seat config display, I think Airline Empires would be a good model to look at for that. They've done it well.
Yes! AE!
m8 you don't wanna get warning pointed here as well. That would be a bit of a marble in the shoe
Hey. How did you know I was WPed? Plus, weren't you WPed as well?
RE: Custom baggage policy+others - Unknown98 - 10-25-2017
You won't be warned for simply mentioning another game. That's just petty moderation and it has no place here.
That being said, do try to keep things on topic particularly in the Game Updates, Support & Suggestion/Bug Report sections.
With regards to this suggestion I think I'm going to say as of right now it's not going to be implemented. Seat types will be implemented, along with IFE and IFS but that's as far as I want to take it initially. Once all that is in place maybe we can revisit something along the lines of fare types.