New reputation system

[D960]

My hub is in Milan Malpensa. I closed GOA, BZO, PMF and about to end VRN and maybe TRS. Anyway I saw my reputation is increasing; I'll wait. Now I have about 6 5 hub waves and it's too much according to these new rules. They will be reduced from 5 to 3. Maybe I would try to hub both MXP and FCO. Just don't know

[squaregatescrub]

One thing I also noticed is that the new reputation system will harm the used aircraft market because most of the time, buying a used aircraft means using quick flights and quick flights doesn't generate reputation.

Oh wait, it does, it "generates" 0 reputation and the system uses that to calculate your airlines' average. I am averaging at around 50-60 per flight but got pulled down to 30-40 because of one quick flight.

Can you please also look into this Unk? Thanks.

[lolliftw]

The system already weights the flight reputation based on the length of the flight.

If you look at the flight details for flights that have the same IFE and same IFS profile - each flight will have a slightly different rep based on the flight length. Longer flights have higher expectations.

I am currently looking at some changes to the demand formula related to improving the supply vs demand. And probably a few other changes. What we have now is not the final version of what we will have once the reset occurs.

Noticed the difference. And while testing things out I just realised that you probably give to huge a rep boost to having a bar? I have tested flight reps before and after a bar and realise that on short haul trips, they literally boost me from 50+ percent rep on Y to 90+ percent rep on Y

And also I think it's really important to reevaluate the demand formula to make it more newcomer friendly. Right now I started a new airline and lowered prices in Y by over 10-15% of the average prices of my competitors on one route. But with 20+% Y rep I am literally getting no demand from the economy class and only have profits coming from my other classes on that route (I mean seriously I get my F,J,W almost full but no Y passengers on a normal airline??) Probably there needs to be an adjustment such that Y passengers should be more than necessary.
And also we should not get our lower classes punished if we are offering lower prices on a higher class as compared to our competitors. Take an example: I offer $2950 for a Business class flight and $4500 for a First-class domestic flight while my nearest competitors offer crazy prices of about $3700 for business and $7500 for First. When I tried to run it I got a rude shock to see my business class empty and my first class full. A check in the research page shows that my first class would be overflowing. So I don't understand why and how does other people's high first class Prices prevent my business class from filling up? Probably something else could be done there.

[Unknown98]

50% to 90% rep boost just by adding a bar seems excessive, I'll have to check the numbers on that.

The way the pax re-allocation thing works is, if your ticket price for one class is within 10% of the base price of the class below it (not average), some percentage of the class below will migrate to that class. So lets say base price for economy is $100, if your premium economy price is $105, some of the economy pax will choose instead to upgrade to premium economy. The idea being that if your average economy pax expects to pay $100, and they can get premium for $105, they would choose to upgrade.

Whether or not that's the best way to do it, idk, I guess that is up for discussion. I can probably give exact formulas tomorrow if you are interested. Maybe something needs to be added to the formula to limit the amount of pax that are able to migrate, as opposed to having ALL the demand for that class migrate, leaving you with 0 demand for the lower class. Which is probably not correct.

There are so many variables when it comes to demand it's extremely difficult to get them to all work together and work accurately and realistically for all airline types and all scenarios.

[Unknown98]

One thing I also noticed is that the new reputation system will harm the used aircraft market because most of the time, buying a used aircraft means using quick flights and quick flights doesn't generate reputation.

Oh wait, it does, it "generates" 0 reputation and the system uses that to calculate your airlines' average. I am averaging at around 50-60 per flight but got pulled down to 30-40 because of one quick flight.

Can you please also look into this Unk? Thanks.

Good catch, I will fix tomorrow

[bonetonelord]

On a related note, the update that made flights display the reputation for individual classes seems to have made all routes on aircraft whose current configurations were installed before the new reputation system was implemented have a 0% rating on everything, while for the couple days while flights still showed a 4-digit decimal they still had at least more than 0, even if it was less than my aircraft with newer, nicer configurations.

[fsclips]

I have a question.
If I don't offer a class is that weighted?
On long haul I offer J, Y+ and Y but on short haul I only offer J and Y.
My Y+ rating on each flight is pretty good but overall for the airline it isn't. Is that because on short haul flights it is rated at zero?

[lolliftw]

I have a question.
If I don't offer a class is that weighted?
On long haul I offer J, Y+ and Y but on short haul I only offer J and Y.
My Y+ rating on each flight is pretty good but overall for the airline it isn't. Is that because on short haul flights it is rated at zero?

I think Unk had said before about this. Apparently it is weighted as zero for now, and I think a change is in progres.

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50% to 90% rep boost just by adding a bar seems excessive, I'll have to check the numbers on that.

The way the pax re-allocation thing works is, if your ticket price for one class is within 10% of the base price of the class below it (not average), some percentage of the class below will migrate to that class. So lets say base price for economy is $100, if your premium economy price is $105, some of the economy pax will choose instead to upgrade to premium economy. The idea being that if your average economy pax expects to pay $100, and they can get premium for $105, they would choose to upgrade.

Whether or not that's the best way to do it, idk, I guess that is up for discussion. I can probably give exact formulas tomorrow if you are interested. Maybe something needs to be added to the formula to limit the amount of pax that are able to migrate, as opposed to having ALL the demand for that class migrate, leaving you with 0 demand for the lower class. Which is probably not correct.

There are so many variables when it comes to demand it's extremely difficult to get them to all work together and work accurately and realistically for all airline types and all scenarios.

Understand there are some problems. After all this is just the first draft. What I was thinking was that is there a way to like set a lower/upper-bound to the number of passengers so that it helps the newer players to deal against established routes with crazy frequencies. I haven't seen the formula exactly but right now as a relatively newer airline I am forced to deal with "heavy competition" and with such Low reps at the start there is absolutely no way I am getting passengers on that class without lowering profits by much. For instance the PVG-NKG route right now has Jiangsu airlines (with apparently overall rep of around 15%) running 7x daily, and me holding 21% rep for business I am stuck with no business traffic. Having to decrease prices from $950 to $700 to get 1 passenger seems excessive in my opinion. No formula is perfect, I must say. But maybe we could slowly adjust (since we are in beta) and see how we could prevent such situations from happening.

[Zortan]

Unk - I don't think this system is working too well to be honest. IRL if I look for JFK-LGW one way flights on a random date, the cheapest is $193 direct on Norwegian (I won't count the connecting flight on TAP). However, Norwegian charges for bags, headphones, blankets, etcetera, so they make far more than 193 dollars off of you. I'm currently not really able to make any money with Realines because of the current system not allowing pretty average bag, food, etc., prices to make money.

[Unknown98]

Let me correct the formulas to not count 0% reputations in the averages before we grab the pitchforks and torches.

Zortan I'm not sure I see the issue. with 0% reputation (which nobody should have anyway) on JFK-LGW, charging base price of $589 - I still get 115 passengers for economy. Raise the rep to 15% and you get 173. That's enough to fill most planes.